4 the Health of it!
4 the Health of it!
How to navigate life as a med student, resident, & MD
On this episode of 4 the Health of it K Pad sits down with two physicians (Dr. Alexander and Dr. Padgett) to discuss their journey in the medical field.
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Welcome to season 2024. For the health of it, I'm your host, Korian K-Pad Padgett. Sit back, relax, and enjoy the episode. I'm your host, Korian KPAD Padgett. And today I have the esteemed pleasure to have with me Dr. Gabrielle Alexander and Dr. Jasmine Padgett. I was mentioned that you all were doctors. What kind of doctors do you are? Are you all?
Dr. Alexander:I'm an OBGYN.
Korian:Okay. And you are Dr. Padgett?
Dr. Padgett:So I do internal medicine and pediatrics.
Korian:Okay, cool, cool. So you are medical physicians, medical doctors? Awesome. So one thing I wanted to mention before this interview got started, that it took me a while to get you all on this podcast. So I thank you all for finally being able to sit down with me. It's been about four years. I've been chasing you all. I finally, finally got the monkey off my back, as they say.
Dr. Padgett:Yeah, yeah.
Korian:Got the big one. I got the big one, you know, red fox style, right? Uh so let's, let's just talk about start start at the beginning. Any particular reason why you wanted to be a physician? Either one of you.
Dr. Alexander:Honestly, I feel like a lot of doctors become doctors truly because they want to help people. Um I knew I wanted to work in the medical field. I used to hang out with my aunt a lot. She was a nurse, so I traveled with her to different small towns in Mississippi. Um and I always liked you know, healthcare and taking care of people. So my aunt was one of my biggest inspirations to you know be in the healthcare field in general. At one point I said, Well, I want to be a nurse. I really want to be a nurse because it was short. I was like, Oh, I want to get married and have kids and be in my career. If I if I become a nurse, it takes like four years. And then my brother, my oldest brother, Rick, he was like, Well, I mean, figure out what you want to do. Do you want to become a nurse? Do you want to be a pharmacist? Do you want to be a doctor? He said, Don't make your decision based on what's gonna be the shortest amount of time. He said, You're gonna get old regardless. So do what you want to do and shoot for the stars.
Korian:Dr. Padgett?
Dr. Padgett:Yeah, mine is very similar to that too. So, um, so when I was younger, I I wanted to be a doctor. Um, I didn't see a lot of doctors that look like me, but um initially I was gonna do nursing too. So I was when I was in undergrad, my first semester, I was um undecided or whatever they call when you're um in your first semester. And I knew I wanted to do something in the medical um field. So I did biology, a lot of biology classes, but I was an undecided major. Um and I figured I'd be a nurse. And my dad was the one that actually said, Well, if you're gonna be a nurse, you'll probably want to be like a registered nurse or a nurse practitioner. He said, You'd have to go to four years of school, anyways, after, you know, part of right. So, and um, and so he was like, you know, if you want to be a doctor, you should look into that. So I started shadowing physicians, and I was like, okay, I I could do this, and so , but what they don't tell you about is the residency afterwards, it's additional years, but that's okay. Like Gabrielle said, you don't pick something based off the shortest amount of um time, you pick it based off what you're really interested in because regardless of whatever you decide to do, the difference in the time lapse is where you are afterwards. So whether you spend those 10 years when people talk about how long med school is working at McDonald's, which nothing gets McDonald's worker working, um, versus going to undergrad, going to med school, going to residency. The difference is are you closer to your overall life goal at the at that amount of time?
Korian:Okay, perfect. Oh man, I'll rock with that, ladies. Uh so my next question is you went to Alabama A &M and you went to Ole Piss. Oh I mean Ole Miss, my bad. So why did y'all choose the two schools y'all chose?
Dr. Padgett:Okay. Um for me, well, mine was easy. Well, it wasn't a bad decision. I I was it no what I meant was it was an easy decision because I played tennis. We traveled a lot playing junior tennis and we had a full ride scholarship, and it was to Alabama AM, which is a HBCU historically black college, um, and we visited school, we really liked it. It gave me an opportunity to grow. Sometimes when you're on um other school, when you're other schools, you may not have a chance to play, even though you're on the team and we wanted that, you know, me and my sister both went on full scholarship, so that's why I chose A&M.
Korian:Okay. Uh just for the record, I I did beat her in a tennis match. And for those that do not know those that do not know this is this is my wife.
Dr. Padgett:so that has the biggest asterisk um both by that win. So what happened is I was up what 3-0, 4-0, and I had a appointment, and so I had to leave. So he won by like default.
Korian:Our record against each other are is one-on-one. But anyway, Dr. Alexander, what is what is your reason for going to Ole Miss?
Dr. Alexander:Um, when I was in high school, I got a scholarship, and my scholarship pretty much gave me different school options to go to. So the schools that I can choose from were Ole Miss, Mississippi State, MC, Mill Saps, and I want to say Southern Miss as well. Uh, I didn't want I'm from Yazoo City, so the schools in Jackson, Mississippi were a little bit close to home. You know how it is when you're in high school, you want to get up and kind of get out and go away from your parents. So I wanted to go kind of far away, but not too far from home. Um so those options would have been either Southern Miss or Mississippi or Ole Miss, but I chose Ole Miss out of those two just because I knew I wanted to work in the healthcare field, and Ole Miss had ties to the University of Mississippi, which you know, that's where we went to medical school. It also had ties to the pharmacy school and things like that. So I felt like me going to Ole Miss would put me in a better position when I needed to go to the next step in my life.
Korian:Okay. All right. So it is the year 2024. Uh I don't know if y'all two know this, but I thought about this earlier. Uh, y'all met in 2014 at the what was the name of this little campaign?
Dr. Alexander:Summer not Summer Bridge, but it was whatever it was, it was a bridge between undergrad and medical programs. It was like a pre-prematriculation program.
Korian:Pre-matriculation pre-mat. Pre-mat. That that's yep, that's exactly what it was. So did y'all realize that it's been 10 years almost to the date that y'all met each other?
Dr. Alexander:Uh I think I roughly knew that. We had something on Facebook pop up. I know because we're supposed to be planning a 10-year trip right now. Okay. Chi Chi keeps reminding us about Chi Chi got a friend.
Korian:She'll be on here.
Dr. Alexander:She's gonna be on here too. Okay, well we'll do we'll have to do it, we'll set it up. But yeah, she keeps reminding us, and we're supposed to be planning a trip for our 10 year. We need to have a big trip this year, but nobody is making any plans or anything like that. So but so I didn't know.
Korian:Okay. Hey, hey, I just wanted to know what's out there
Dr. Padgett:that's about to say it's funny, we've been doing trips all these years, but it's gonna be a bigger trip. Yeah, this is like a big trip.
Dr. Alexander:Like a 10 year is a it's a big deal.
Dr. Padgett:It is a big deal.
Korian:Whoa, whoa, whoa, wait, time out. Y'all trying to do it this year?
Dr. Alexander:Yes.
Korian:Y'all know y'all only got six months left, right?
Speaker 1:I mean, that's not that is clear. Okay, all right.
Korian:Well, anyway, just just throwing that out there. Uh so so I know she graduated undergrad 20, 2012. When did you graduate?
Speaker:No, she didn't.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I did. 2012? 2012 December, December 2012. Okay, then I graduated in 2014.
Korian:Okay, cool, cool, cool. So you went straight literally from from May to May to boom, you were straight in. Oh, that's dope.
Speaker:That's really I don't know if that's dope or not. That's something that I talk about a lot of times with people because they would ask me, How did you become a doctor so young? I went, I didn't take any breaks pretty much between finishing high school and finishing residency. So you went to high school, I did a summer matriculation program before I went to Ole Miss. After Ole Miss, I did a summer um summer program before I went to med school. Then after med school, you go straight to residency. So it was just like going, going, going, what is that, 12 years straight? Yeah, yeah. Yeah, I'm taking it.
Korian:So so is that uncommon?
Speaker:Um I don't know. I feel like it's not that uncommon, but people might not do the summer programs in between, but people do go consecutive years. So I feel like it's a good mix. But you know, of course, we have some classmates that had career changes and stuff like that. So I don't know. I feel like it's a good it's a good mix. Okay. People that go straight through, people that take breaks and career changes.
Korian:Right. So, so jasmine, just chat me up a bit about your break in between undergrad and med school. Like, what were you doing in that meantime?
Speaker 1:Studying to get to med school. Um, I mean, that's the short of it. But also during that time, so my parents have their own home care business. So I was also um working there in the office, um, played a lot of tennis, joined a lot of tennis teams, did stuff like that, and then just studying to get into med school.
Korian:Okay. And while we're talking about getting into med school, , two different paths, not totally different, but what are the requirements to get into med school? Just like base level, I don't need to know the exact MCAT score or anything like that.
Speaker 1:Okay, because it's changed. I don't know the exact M MCAT score.
Speaker:You know how long ago it's been since we got into med school?
Speaker 1:Yeah, 10 years. I was asking that the skeleton the skeleton of the yeah. Yeah, you gotta um so undergrad, usually you've got there's required courses that you have to take. I don't remember all of them. Some biology, some chemistry, organic chemistry. Um, the next big thing is taking the MCAT test. Um, that's pretty good. It's pretty good. Into medical, yeah. Yeah, that's pretty much it.
Speaker:And a lot of times people think you have to major in biology or chemistry or whatever. You really don't. You can major in art, you can major in whatever your heart desires as long as you get those required courses.
Korian:Because one of your friends majored in English. Yeah, okay. Cool, cool, cool. All right, so talk me about talk to me about med school. What was that like, and why did y'all choose umc?
Speaker 1:I chose umc for proximity, and also we had just started dating. We had been dating for a few months at that time, but it was closest to home. It was closest to home for us, for me, I can say for UMC.
Speaker:Umc close to home too. And at that time, you know, like I said, when I graduated from high school, I wanted to go far away from home. Going into med school, I did want to go um more close to home. And there were also some good scholarship opportunities at um University of Mississippi, and again, some connections between going to um old men's for undergrad, so I got a chance to know some people and um things like that. So it seemed like the best choice for me at the time. All right. No regret, Steele's.
Korian:All right, well, Jasmine. I'm just I'm just throwing this out there that South Alabama has a medical school, right? Do they have a medical school? Yeah, yeah. Okay, I've just throwing that out there. Belux is a lot closer to Mobile than it is to Jackson. Oh, sorry.
Speaker 1:Well, the other advantage, there wasn't this another in-state. So when you um in-state, the tuition's not as high for most people. So that's another reason I chose this. It wasn't all about chorian. Um clearly. No, but the um, and then you had your second question was what was med school like? Yeah, yeah, yeah. If I only had one word to choose, I'd say hard. But I mean, you know, it's it's just one of those things.
Korian:So, what was the hardest part about med school?
Speaker:Ooh, there's a lot that's hard about med school, but I think this is the perfect example, and somebody told us this before we went to medical school. I think somebody said this in the pre-matriculation program is like going to a fire hydrant that the firefighters use and trying to drink water from a fire hydrant. It's it's true. It's just a lot, it takes a lot of discipline, a lot of studying, and a lot of sacrifices too. I feel like not only med school, but med school, residency, and even to an extent undergrad, you know, um, it takes you away from family, friends, and things like that because you truly have to be disciplined in the study to make it through.
Korian:Yeah. I mean, go ahead.
Speaker 1:Oh, sorry, I was gonna say, I feel like it it also changes to you. Like, you know, the first two years it's books, books, books. Learn as much as you can, and then the next two years you're doing your like your clinicals and your rotations, and even during that, I remember when I told my family I couldn't come home for either Thanksgiving or Christmas because we um we were on a like inpatient service and we were like on call, and they had a hard time believing that. I was like, no, I'm gonna be in the hospital and be working, you know, not getting paid for it. Yeah, yeah. So a lot of sacrifice.
Speaker:Every year comes with different challenges too, like you say.
Korian:Right. So, what was the hardest year in med school for you, Gabby? Or Dr. Alexander?
Speaker:I would say maybe, maybe first year.
Korian:Okay.
Speaker:Just a transition. Like, you know, undergrad was moderately difficult. Um, but when you go to medical school, it's just a different level of information you're expected to learn and retain. So I think first year.
Speaker 1:Absolutely. I was surprised I I knew immediately when you asked the question. I was like, first year without a doubt. I remember we went through some class, was it was it biochem, and I think we got through two or three chapters that day, and I was like, what is going on? I was so scared. I was like, my brain, yeah.
Speaker:It's a lot at one time.
Speaker 1:Oh my gosh, yeah, yeah. Yeah.
Speaker:If you ask me about the hardest course in undergrad, that one I know without a doubt, organic image.
Korian:Oh yes. Oh my gosh. I'm like that.
Speaker:That was hard. That one right there.
Korian:What made that so hard?
Speaker:For me, it was because you have to see things in 3D almost, like see those molecules in my brain. Just didn't work. Yeah, when I look at it on the paper, it didn't, my brain didn't process it how it was supposed to be processed to like really learn, understand, and it was it was very difficult.
Korian:Okay.
Speaker:All right. So we made it through by the grace of God.
Korian:Hey, if it wasn't for his grace, what you say, okay, all right, I'm right there with you. Uh So I wanted to you you went straight out of high school, , graduated 2010, Yazoo City. Okay, so 2010, you went to Ole Miss, four years later, boom, you're going straight to medical school. I just want to, you know, shout it out, not not talking bad about my wife or anything, but just talking about myself, because I know I had a buddy, you know, , or even now I had a former athlete of mine, he went four years out of college and graduated. Uh, and I was like, bro, you know, that takes a lot of discipline and self-sacrifice and family familiar family sacrifice too. So big ups to you, Gab, and still big ups to you, Jasmine, because you had a tough road to go through too. So you know, you you alright?
Speaker 1:Oh, yeah, no, I was gonna say, well, you know, mine was definitely more zigzag, but like right after um high school, we did a year of um professional tennis, like on the lower circuit. When people think professional tennis, they think like Wimbledon and all the Grand Slams, but there's a lower circuit, and we tried that for a year. Um that didn't that did not work out for me, obviously. Um and then I went to to undergrad, so there was a hold up there, and then um trying to get ready to make a score that was good enough to get into med school was the other the other end. So so my road was definitely you know more topsy curvy.
Korian:So it took you took a little bit.
Speaker:Yeah, yeah.
Korian:Okay.
Speaker:So um I was just gonna say, I don't, I mean, of course, there are sacrifices. I could have gone on some trips and had some fun during the summertime, but I really don't regret it. I don't regret doing that program during the transition from high school to undergrad because some of the people that I met in that program um I'm still friends with today, with today. And when you go from small town, Yazoo City, Mississippi, and I'm not gonna lie, like our high school and the level of education that we received, you know how Mississippi education is. I think it was a subpar. So I was able to go kind of get a leg up to you know get an idea of what it's gonna be like to take, you know, two, maybe two courses over the summer um before the actual semester starts. And again, I think some of those friendships that I developed, there that means they're gonna be lifelong friendships. And then the same thing for um going to um med school. I met some friends that I'm still friends with today, 10 years later, um, and it helped with that transition. You know, what did we take? Um Gross Gross Anatomy. Oh, yeah. Yeah, we started doing some Gross Anatomy stuff, and so it was. Yeah, and I feel like they put us, it gave us a leg up when the school year actually started for the first year of med school. So I don't regret it at all.
Korian:Yeah, I understand. That's what's up. That's what's up. Uh so Jasmine, I wanted to talk to you about that gap year you took playing professional tennis.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Korian:Considering that you were a professional tennis player, how does it feel to lose to somebody that you know was a subpart athlete in general?
Speaker 1:You talk about yourself. Yeah, obviously. Someone said, Yeah, um, you know, it didn't really feel like a loss. It's like when you're beating somebody three, four, zero, and then and then you have to leave. It doesn't really feel like you lost, it's feel like you kind of just had to go. Yeah, yeah, just had to go.
Korian:Yeah, you just had to go and you had to take that ill. But anyway, did you did you play anybody big in that level?
Speaker 1:Or nobody that ended up coming big or oh, that's a good I don't I don't remember. It was a whole it's all blurred. I don't remember specific people names that I played. Um I don't I can't think anybody that's fair.
Korian:That's fair. All right. So at the start you said you're an L O B G Y N and you said you're internal medicine and PH. Yeah, so good job. Why did y'all choose those particular career paths?
Speaker:Oh, for me, OBGYN is one of those fields, either you hate it or you love it. Whenever you um third and fourth year of medical school, third year is really when you start going around looking into like working in different areas. So you might do MedPage, you do family medicine, you do OBGYN. Um, that's where you really get an opportunity to see what you want to do. I did know going in, but again, OBGYN, you either hate it or you love it. Very first day they threw me in into a delivery. I had never even seen a delivery before. They threw me in for me to go deliver the baby.
Korian:And this was during your year three? Yes, of med school?
Speaker:Yes.
Korian:And so what do you what all did you have to do?
Speaker:You go in, you know, get clean, get scrubbed, put on all the gowns.
Korian:You delivered the baby?
Speaker:Yes.
Korian:As a third-year medical student?
Speaker:Yes. So you asked the patient for consent or permission, which most of the time patients know like they're there to learn against students and students. And so the patient was okay with it. You go in, you get scrubbed. Um, and the resident that was there, she didn't just let me go in and just deliver the baby by myself. So we basically scrubbed in together and she talked me through it at that time. She put her hand on top of my hands, and we delivered the baby together. So very exciting. But you know, it's nerve-wracking. Yeah, you know. It's very exciting, very thrilling. And if you don't pass out and get freaked out by it, then I guess you need to do it because you you literally either hate OBGYN or you love it.
Speaker 1:Okay. Uh-h . I concur. Hated it. First delivery I saw was a it was it was the c-section. And so we go in, and of course, you know, you cut blood. I was I was helping to suction like the smoke. They use the machine kind of help them cut and make clean, clean lines and stuff. And I was like, this is just the childbirth is a very beautiful experience, but it's not always. It's just I was like, I was like, oh my gosh. I said I don't never, I never want to have a c-section or have anybody cuddle me. Next delivery I saw was a vaginal delivery, and it was, you know, that there were some like expected complications. Like, you know, I guess sometimes somebody bleeds and you have to like suture. I was like, I never want to have vaginal delivery. I was like, this is not you don't want to have a c-section. You don't want to have the right. I was I was stuck. I was like, well, I don't know how I'm gonna have to, I don't I don't know how I'm gonna do this. Maybe anyway, no, but seriously, I didn't like either one, and I knew I was not gonna do um L BGYN, and then of course other specialties too that I wasn't really interested in. But when it came to med peas, the reason I chose that is the first rotation I did was pediatrics. I'm pretty sure that was the first one I did was um, and I really loved working with kids. I love some people don't like the parent child dynamic aspect. I loved it. I'm like, this is a great way to educate the child and the parent at the same time. Um, I did that, I was like, okay, I'm gonna be a pediatrician. Then I did internal medicine. The whole first month that I did it had a headache every single day. I was like, this is there's so many criteria for like everything. But then I really started to enjoy it. You really feel like a detective, you know, when somebody comes in and they're short of breath or um, you know, they have leg swelling, you have to rationalize, okay, what could be going on, what's most likely, what's least likely, how would I work this up? And I really enjoyed it. And I was like, well, dang, I don't know how many choose. And then that's when I found out about med peeds. I was like, okay, so you can do both, and instead of doing three years of each one, you can combine it, um, combine those into a residency that's four years. So that's that's why I chose.
Korian:And this was your year three also?
Speaker 1:Uh yeah, year three.
Korian:Okay. All right, and that I just want to go back to your year three. Was that your first rotation, or I don't think it was my first rotation.
Speaker:I think I did. I know I did surgery before that, and oh my god, that was a hot man.
Korian:And that's her, I remember her surgery rotation. Yeah, that was a hard rotation.
Speaker:And the people were mean, and then we had a perception that all surgeons are mean, right? And then one of the fields of surgery that I rotated in because you did general, so there's different types of surgeries. Um, there's general surgeons, but one of my rotations was cardiothoracic surgery. Oh my god. Amazing stuff to see, but it was a lot, it was a lot going on.
Korian:How so?
Speaker:Um well, there was a situation that happened with one of the residents that was on the rotation. Um, but I can't speak too much on this. All right, that's fine. That's fine. That's fine. Um I can't speak too much on that. I can tell you at a later time. Yes, ma'am. Yes, ma'am.
Korian:Well you that's gonna be on the Patreon, y'all. No.
Speaker:Hey, look, I better get some of that profit.
Korian:Hey, you definitely will. You definitely will. Oh man, so did you you you did you know going into med school, because you said you you either hate it or love it with being an OBGYN? Did you know that you wanted to be that or did you have to?
Speaker:I had no idea. Um going back to Yazu City, I didn't even know any doctors growing up at all. I didn't really do a lot of shadowing of physicians because I didn't know physicians to shadow. Um so I had no idea.
Korian:Okay. And then you just that particular rotation, you said, wow, this is this is it.
Speaker:Yeah, and I I feel like in medical school, sometimes people go in knowing what they want to do. But I I think a lot of people probably don't have a clue, and you really have to go in and do those rotations or do shadowing at that time, which is easier to shadow at that point, right? Because you you kind of know people you have your foot in the door um to really see what a a day in the life is like.
Speaker 1:Um what about oh I mean you just said yours, how you went and Yeah, I I don't think before I got to med school I knew exactly what I wanted to do. Before I entered, I shadowed a pediatrician, um, but it was only outpatient setting, and then a a family medicine physician. Um so but for for pediatrics, my experience since it was only outpatient when I did it inpatient, I was like, oh, this is this is different, it's it's pretty cool. So okay.
Korian:All right. So after year three, we go into year four, and what's the difference between year three and four?
Speaker 1:I think four, you're talking about med school? Yeah. Um I it's more relaxed to an extent. I mean, you know you've got um with like step three, I think is is year four, but you already know what you want to do, so more of your energy is focused toward that, and your schedule is also more relaxed. You have less required courses in every university, it may be different, but at UMC, there's there's more um electives, so you're you're doing stuff that you enjoy. So I think year four was the the easy answer.
Speaker:Oh year four was without a doubt the best year. And just like what she said, at that point, you you you figure out doing third year or second year what you want to do. So your elective courses are geared towards that. So if I want to do OBGYN, like I have mostly OBGYN rotations and some other things. If she wants to do med P, you know, then she does internal medicine and pediatric rotation. So it was one of the most enjoyable.
Speaker 1:And um yeah, and you know more too. So that that helps too when you're around, you're like, okay, I've already heard these questions before, I know where they're going with this, and the focus is not on you either when you're a fourth year. Right. So it was nice. Okay.
Korian:All right. So also during fourth year, y'all y'all have that match match. Talk me through that.
Speaker 1:How the match goes?
Korian:Yes.
Speaker 1:So interesting times. Um, so what do you do? So you do a lot of interviews. Um, I like that. I like you know, drove around different places, got to see different um hospitals and and universities, kind of see how they they do their setup, and then you start choosing places that you want to go. Um, and then you rank them. So you you you put them on some I forget what it's called, probably match.com. I don't know, that's not right. Not match.com something. I I forget the name of it. But you know, you you you go to these different I saw I kept it, you know, I'm very organized. Yeah, and wrote them out and and wrote what I liked about each one and which ones I was like, okay, I'm for sure not going here for whatever reason, too far or didn't like the energy. And then you you put them in, and then the the places that you interviewed out at also rank you, and it's supposed to be geared toward the student more than over. Yeah, in terms of who gets the match. So if you chose a place high on your list and they chose you high on your list, then you're more likely to match, like you people call it getting their their first choice. Gotcha. Um that sounds about right. That's what I remember from it. It feels like it's so long.
Speaker:Yeah, that's the gist of it. It sounds about right. It is what it is. I don't really like the system because I know that everybody can't go to every place, and they have to have some kind of system to, you know, evenly disperse everybody that needs a spot to go for residency. But sometimes I feel like you know, you go to school for where we're eight years in now, you spent $200,000 on your education, and now when it's time for you to train, you can't truly choose fully where you want to go. Right. Because you have to pick them and they have to pick you. Right. So I don't know. I don't know.
Speaker 1:I think that changed it up a little bit, like a year or two um before I graduated. There's something they did different with the um rank rank list, but I don't I don't remember what it was. I have to look into it.
Speaker:I don't know what they did with it either. But one of the worst parts is you know, you can do this, go to school for eight years, pay all of this money, and you cannot match. Yeah, and so that's a big thing. And if you don't match during that match year, you have to wait a full year before you can apply again.
Korian:Well, isn't there a isn't there like a scramble period in between?
Speaker 1:Yeah, it's called a scramble, yeah.
Speaker:Yeah, but not everybody that didn't match and like you cannot match, do the scramble and still not get in. And so then you sit a full year, but you can't just sit a full year and be idle and do nothing.
Korian:So, what are you doing in that year?
Speaker:Most people do research or something like that. Um, I don't think is it can you work?
Speaker 1:You can work, you can you can do it. This you're not required for your work, of course.
Speaker:You can work somewhere else, but like yeah, you you can't you can't no you you're you're right.
Speaker 1:So you can't practice as as a medical doctor.
Korian:Um, you could that's crazy though, because you are a medical doctor, right?
Speaker 1:Well, yeah, so well, so there's a few things. Hold on, let's unpack. So you can work in like, for example, I know some people um who didn't match um their first year and they worked like in our um not necessarily in the lab, I don't know what they did. They helped them like set up our medicine simulation, . Right, and and they got paid to do that so you could say I'm I was still you want to do something somewhat geared toward the medical field because they're gonna ask you when you match again um in the next year. Well, what did you do like during that time? Because they want to know that you know I was still passionate, right? Yeah, yeah.
Speaker:So it's an interesting system. Yeah. I still say that. Because isn't that crazy?
Korian:No, it is. It is. I mean, it's kind of I mean I it it it I I all I can say it is a crazy, it is stressful, peculiar, yeah, and stressful, it's and stressful.
Speaker:I I mean, like I said, I get why they want to do it because say everybody might want to go to Harbor to be there, or residency.
Korian:Yeah, or everybody, you know, want to go to California or Florida, you know, all the pretty places. Well, yeah, I understand it, but it's interesting. Wow, that is that is very I mean, isn't that kind of on the person also to kind of like not just choose the pretty locations, right? Just you gotta go, you know, I don't want to bash on Wyoming. I don't know anybody from Wyoming, but I mean neither of y'all went to interview in Wyoming, right?
Speaker:No, I I mean me personally, I won't I knew I wanted to stay in the southeast area.
Speaker 1:Okay. It I I feel like that can be tricky though, because it's if if you so you want to pick places um that you enjoy, pick whatever place you are passionate about, wanting to do your residency, you can put that at the top of your list. It gets hard if you rank a school as a safety net lower on your on your um rank list and they put you higher somewhere, yeah, higher, but then anybody else who put that school higher will match first. So even if you set up your safety net, depending on how the the algorithm works, if you put them too low, you may not match because the other people who put them a little higher will match. So this algorithm that I'm still skeptical about because that's what they say, but it's Did you get your first match?
Korian:I did. Okay. I did, I'm sure they didn't just say because it I mean it I I hear what you're saying, like you know, how many how so how many schools could you put on your rank list?
Speaker 1:Was it 15? I think it's a little bit.
Korian:Okay. All right. So it It sounds like a lot, but it's so where would you put your safety net if you had to choose a safety net? Where would you have put it?
Speaker 1:You mean what number did I start? Yeah, I'm gonna say like you should pick the true, true top three.
Speaker:Yeah. And then start start doing four or five. Because you don't want to like she say I'm gonna put it too low, and then you miss your opportunity because somebody else put it higher. Right.
Korian:Okay. All right, that makes sense to me. Uh so we talked about residency. No, we didn't talk about residency, we talked about getting into residency. So chat me up about your residency. What what was it like?
Speaker 1:My it was a great experience.
Speaker:Um one are you the only person in the United States that's ever said?
Speaker 1:No, no, wait, wait, okay, wait, okay, so there's the this residency within itself is hard, yes. Yeah, um, but that's one of the reasons you need to pick a place that you enjoy the people. So I like umc because I knew a lot of I did my um my undergrad at not my undergrad, good group, my um medical school at umc. So I knew a lot of the residents, and the reason I chose the um medpeeds at umc is because the residents I worked with, yeah. I was like, I was like, I really like these people. They're very like easy to talk to, they're passionate about what like everybody you could a medpeeds person stood out a mile away. It was like, you know, internal medicine more like serious, and the people who were in peds were like, you know, kind of more like lighthearted, and then med peds is like somewhere in the middle, and you and they they always stood out. And I was like, I want that, I want to be now.
Korian:Is that how you see yourself?
Speaker 1:Yes, of course. Um, but you know, it it's it's it's good, you want to be around that type of energy. You want something residency is gonna be hard no matter what you choose, just from the natural progression of responsibility in your field. So you gotta you gotta pick somewhere that you love. So even though mine was hard, and because residency is hard, you got 24 hour shifts and all this, you know, run into electives and stuff that you you don't really are passionate about. If you're around passionate people, it helps, it makes it better.
Korian:I understand. I understand that's true. Talk to me about yours.
Speaker 1:I feel like hers is tougher because you got but you love OBGY. Like, if I had to do surgery, I would listen.
Speaker:I might have a tad bit of PTSD from residency. Okay, residency is hard. Um OBGYN residency is four years. Um, the duration of residency varies depending on what field you choose. Um, but so OBGYN is four years, and we learn some clinical things and some surgery things because we are doing mostly clinic and some surgeries as well. Um, but I think residency was hard because it is a lot of long hours, a lot of high stress, and quite frankly, it's a lot of women and a lot of hormones. You know how we act when we are stressed and tired.
Korian:So um I did not say that.
Speaker:I mean, but truly though, so we worked, you know, Monday through Friday, you know, and you might be on a clinic rotation, you might be on a surgical rotation, it kind of varies, but we all had weekend call shifts, and so call shifts would be at least two weekends of month of the month. Sometimes it would be three weekends out of the month, and pretty much if you're on call for the weekend, the weekend is out. Right. So you might be on you might work your shift from like you know, 6 a.m., 5 30 a.m. until 5 30 p.m. And then you're on call from 5 30 p.m. until I want to say we had shift change at 8 the next day. And so you either do a Friday, Sunday. So if you do Friday, Sunday, you sleep all day Saturday.
Speaker 2:Right.
Speaker:Um, and the other option was that you do a 24-hour shift on Saturday, and sometimes 24 hours lead to 25 or 26. You know, I've experienced the yeah, yeah. So if you do Saturday shift, you pretty much sleep on Friday and probably Sunday after 24 hour shift.
Speaker 2:Right.
Speaker:But you learn a lot, and again, I mean it's a lot of information to learn within four years. Right. So um, but yeah, it was interesting times. I'm glad to be done with it all for sure.
Korian:For sure. Uh now, would you say residency is almost like an extended period of your OBG UIM rotation or your particular rotation with internal medicine or pediatrics?
Speaker 1:To a degree, you mean like at from a medical student and then when you get into residency? I wouldn't say it's totally like it because the responsibility is different. So as a med school, as a med student, your primary job is like presenting well. Like I need to present well and know the information. When you're a resident, you're not focused on presenting, you're like, did I make sure I replaced this person's electrolytes? Did I make sure to go through their home list and and um did they get the um antibiotics? What happened at sign-ups? You know, it's just a for me, it was a different dynamic, and the responsibility was heavier and it got you know progressively heavier each year.
Speaker:So I I agree with that. And then as a medical student, um, on your OBGYE rotation, you mostly look, even though I got lucky and the first day I got a chance to be involved in a delivery hands-on. Um well, I say OB, they let you do a lot of stuff on your OB rotation as a medical student, but not really surgery things. So when you are a resident, you're doing the surgeries yourself because once you finish residency, you're gonna be doing the surgeries yourself. So um that was one of the biggest things that was different.
Speaker 1:I did not know that. I did not realize y'all did it by yourself when my OBGYN delivered me and she walked in the room. I was like, Where's her where's her helper team? I did not know it was Dr. Hart, but she was she did a great job. She was getting there. I was like, look at her go. I had to see stuff.
Korian:She wasn't looking.
Speaker 1:No, well, I mean, but I was it was just her, right? Like she had she had a technique.
Korian:Yeah, she had to do with her the anesthesiologist in the tech, but right the anesthesiologist doesn't count.
Speaker 1:No, I mean they they count. Right, I know. So I was like, yeah, it's a big deal.
Speaker:You do it by yourself, yeah. Um, and then clinic clinic responsibilities are different as a resident. Um, as a medical student, you might go see a patient and present the information and kind of come up with the plan. So you're working on learning the basics and getting that down. Sometimes you get a chance to do an exam if the patient is okay with you doing an exam as a medical student, and then again as a resident, you're almost like the the primary physician, but you have a supervising physician who you report to um and who comes to supervise you for the exams and make sure you're doing everything correctly, but you pretty much do all of the exams and things like that, and you make the decisions, but again, under the supervision of someone else to make sure you're doing everything correctly.
Korian:Gotcha, gotcha. So there's one you had a baby, right? Uh in 2017. So that would have been what year of med school for going into fourth year.
Speaker:Okay.
Korian:So so talk to me about so you got pregnant towards the end, middle end of your year three?
Speaker:Mm-hmm.
Korian:Okay, and then had it.
Speaker:Yeah, I guess, well, more like beginning to middle because no, wait a minute. What the heck? Yeah, okay. I was pregnant during year three, right? And I had her right at the beginning of year four. Because when do you take step three? Step two. Step two is before fourth year, right? Um at the beginning of fourth year.
Speaker 1:Oh, I want to say somewhere in the like September of fourth year. So step three is um residency um for most people, like first and second year residency. It's step two.
Korian:Step two is in between it's third and fourth year. Third and no, no, but they changed it.
Speaker 1:It's um no no.
Speaker:Step one is after first year, right? Because it's like in August or September. Step one is after first year.
Korian:No, step one is after second year, I thought. Yeah, it's after second year.
Speaker:Okay, then so step three is after third year. Third year, yeah.
Korian:Yeah, yeah.
Speaker:Somewhere is right at the end slash beginning. Oh, it's like that was so long ago, I know.
Speaker 1:I'm trying to, I'm not even trying to remember anymore.
Korian:In fact, in fact, you took your step exam. That's what I wanted to tell you. You took your step exam right after you had her because I saw you at the testing center.
Speaker 1:That's right. I remember no, you she you went into labor. Was that what happened? You went into labor the day you were supposed to, and she thought it was just stress from the I'm sorry, let me I'm gonna let you tell your story. Go ahead, go ahead. Go ahead.
Korian:Go ahead, because I did not hear this story.
Speaker:So interestingly, I was supposed to take step two the day that I had my baby. So August 15th.
Speaker 2:Okay.
Speaker:Is the day that I was scheduled to take my exam, and the night before I was up, , had taken a bath, getting ready to go to bed, and I felt a little bit cramping, and I was like, Oh, maybe I'm just stressed, maybe I'm just tired. But throughout the night, the cramping got progressively worse. I'm waking my husband up and he's like, What? What's going on? What's going on? I'm like, I think I need to go to the hospital. So um about nine o'clock in the morning, the day I was supposed to be sitting, I was holding my baby. So I said I still need to tell her about that to this day. But that was um, it was a very interesting time because I had to get an excuse from my doctor because Steph is a pretty serious. You pay that money for, and there's really unless you have a medical emergency or a medical excuse, I didn't have a baby counsel today. So I had to get like a letter from my OBGYN saying that I was in the hospital and everything, and go through this whole process about getting that rescheduled. But then that meant for me studying at home with the newborn baby. Right. I can't remember. I think I maybe rescheduled it for about a month or so out. Yeah. Um and so me and me and my baby were there studying and we got it done, knocked it out about a month later.
Korian:Okay, because I remember you you know having to bring in an excuse. You talked about that. On my way to take the practices down, it's the test teachers have to take to get certified. Driving. My brother is a principal. Well, I'm just it's for my listeners. So I'm driving, I'm driving to take the test in so it's up here it is Heinz. So I was going to like Heinz and Utica or Heinz and Raymond, I can't even remember. And I'm driving, and her parents had gifted us a car. It was an older.
Speaker 2:Why are you gonna call my parents in?
Korian:Uh well, I'm just starting. It was an older Ultima, and like the night before, the tire was flat on the pass on the driver's side rear tire was flat. So I aired it up. So I'm three minutes out on the GPS from the testing site, and I hear a boop. Oh my god. I was like, man, what was that? So I take my foot off the accelerator, and before I even take my foot off the accelerator, the odometer or speedometer drops down to from like 60 to 30.
Speaker 2:Oh goodness.
Korian:I'm like, br , come on, man. This can't be happening. So I'm sitting there, I'm like, alright, just just take your foot off the gas and coast in. You're three minutes out. Next thing I know, I look, I hear a and I look out the window, and the front tire on the driver's side is rolling next to me while I'm driving. And I'm like, this can't be real. And I'm like, br . And it's a two-lane road, mind you, and there's nobody else on the road, and I just veer into the ditch. I'm just sitting there, I'm like, bro, what the world? So I call up the test, I call up the the official people, and it's a national, and it's some foreigner dude talking to me, he's like, Well, you know, if you get it replaced, good baby, come on. If you get it replaced, if you gonna have to you gonna have to redo or you have to send in an excuse, this, this, and this. I'm like, br , I'm literally sitting here in a ditch. Let me talk to you later. Like, like I so I hang up and I'm like, all right, let me let me let me call up the people at Pearl River or Hines, and I tell them what's happening, and they're like, Well, there's a window for this test site. As long as you're here within three hours of that testing window, you can take the test, right? So you know, it's usually they tell you 10 minutes because you but it's usually like like she said, it's it you got a three-hour window. Yeah, I didn't realize. So I looked on the GPS and it said three-minute you know, drive, 30-minute walk, because it was like a mile or two miles or however long. So I just got out of the car and walked the rest of the way, put the tire in the car and walked the rest of the way. And I get there, and the lady's like, You him? I was like, Yes, ma'am, that's me. I was sweating and stuff, took it. Everything worked out well. Of course I'm him. Who else would come in the way? I passed the test and whatnot, and then I had to take practice too, which is the day I saw you, and I was like, Hey, yeah, and then you came in. I was like, Yeah, you just had your baby. So I just want to throw that out there. So, how was year four with the baby though?
Speaker:Like, I think fourth year is probably the best time to have a baby. You have the most time, you're the least stressed, and so it was it was pretty good, actually.
Korian:Okay, all right. Well, I'm gonna step away real quick and check on that infant we got upstairs. Y'all just keep talking to each other. So let's let's gear the conversation towards what was it like for you having a baby during residency, the baby number two?
Speaker:That's exactly what I was just about to say. All right, that's exactly what I was about to say.
Speaker 1:Okay, are we supposed to just start talking about oh okay for so I had what the first baby um right after the first year of residency, I would say. Um, and why am I looking over at nothing? Um okay, so after first year residency, and actually I I think that's a a decent time to do it um to have a baby first year. First year residency? Well, no, no, no, after the first year. So what happened? Something like that. Okay, there's no perfect time. I'm gonna start by saying that. Exactly. So my so the reason why I I started going ahead and having children is because my um OB, I told her, I was like, you know, I'm gonna wait until I'm done with residency and have told me that too. Yes, and she told me, she said, I recommend having kids when you're ready. There is no perfect time. She was told um med school isn't a good time to have um kids because you know you're so busy. Residency isn't a good time because you you got more responsibility. And then by the time she when she finished residency, she was trying to get her career going, and that wasn't a good time. She looked up, she was 38 having the first kid. Right. She said, Look, life is not gonna um put itself on pause. You can't put your home life on pause just for your career. If you're ready to have kids, do that. And I started at like age 32 because I was like, Can I pause you?
Speaker:Can you tell me what I told you about having kids?
Speaker 1:No, I can't.
Speaker:You forgot what I told you.
Speaker 1:What did you say? Do it.
Speaker:I literally told you the same thing, and you give her all the credit and not me.
Speaker 1:You know what? You sound like my sister's anytime somebody says something, I literally told you. You you were right. I'm not saying you didn't. I I don't remember. I it just stuck because I was there in her office, and that's when I was like really, really kind of too. Um, it was baby, it was baby number.
Speaker:I told you that before you talked to her.
Speaker 1:You probably I didn't say you didn't, I believe you. But , and then so it it truly is a hard like first year is hard because everything is so new, and like I said, like from going from med school where you're focused on presenting, to like, okay, I actually need to make sure I know how to treat this. I'm treating that person, I'm not reading the what the resident did. I am the resident, right? Um, so that is a hard, a hard time to do it. The key I think that made the difference was the support. So Corey and being one, being a school teacher, worked out well because residency hours are crazy, and you can't you can't predict call schedule all the time, things change because you could be the backup call person or something like that. Um, so and it it worked out fine for me. I think that because my pregnancy also went well. That's another thing you can't predict. Some people don't do well with their pregnancy. Um, and I think baby baby number one was easier than baby number two. Baby number two I had during my fourth year. Um, and that was just a little harder because I was still working on well, I I knew where I wanted to go, but the the pregnancy was a little tougher too. I got very swollen and it and she was doing the summertime. Right. And I'm I don't remember if I called, no, I called like the hotline first, the my OBG after hour. Um, it was getting headaches and dizzy and just tired. Whereas with the first one, I had the ankle swelling, that was cute. Or you know, remember I sent y'all a picture of the ankle, so totally different. But anyways, I'd for anybody think about having kids, you just you it support is the main thing. It doesn't matter when you the the the extra support from family is what's gonna make the difference.
Speaker:Um so I had a child in medical school and I had a child in residency. I definitely think having a child in medical school was easier and the timing was perfect, it was right, you know, during fourth year, um, which is the the best year of medical school. And my second child, I'm like, you know, I'm like, was it after second year? I think it was between second year and third year. So you go, you do your first year, you kind of get your bearings and see how it is and make sure everything's good, and then after you get first year down, then if you want to start thinking about it, you can. Um, you do have um interviews though, and so sometimes people, the thought is, well, do you want to be pregnant during your interview? Which it has its pros and cons. I do think that if you plan to have kids, you want to have a family, um, and you are planning to be a mother, you should want to work um in an environment that is family friendly and who allows you to put your family first. Same thing with being pregnant in medical school. We have to interview kind of was that at the end of end of fourth year. Is it end of fourth year?
Speaker 1:Yeah. Well, you're talking about interview for residents? Yeah, third year. I feel like it was third year. You have to, yeah, fourth year, but by the time you go into fourth. No, we need I'm lying. I don't cover it. No.
Speaker 2:So what?
Speaker 1:No, because you match in March. So you okay, third year.
Speaker:It's got to be beginning of summer, fourth year, something like that.
Korian:So in the third year, beginning of fourth year, something like that.
Speaker:But that was the other question that people have like, do you want to be pregnant on residency interviews? Do you wait? Did I say that right? Do you want to be pregnant on residency interviews or whatever? Same thing. You want to go to a place that's family friendly. So I mean, if you're pregnant, it is what it is. It is what it is. Because again, like you said, there is no perfect time to have a baby in the medical field.
Korian:True. I mean in life. That's true. That's true. Yeah, what it is. Uh I remember her at the end of her rotation or graduation for Mad Ps, Dr. Uh Dr. Henson made a joke. It was like, yeah, Jasmine knows she's been pregnant the whole residency.
Speaker 1:It felt like it because you know it's almost a year long and it's a four it's four-year residency. I got pregnant after the first year, and then during the fourth year felt like the the whole the the whole time. Yeah.
Korian:All right, so before we wrap this up, let's just go ahead and start talking about going into your your how did you get your jobs basically? Like how did you've been on a lot of interviews at this point. You had to go, I mean, skip an undergrad. We had to go one for red med school, had to do one for residency. Now you're doing one for your career, your actual job. What's that like?
Speaker:Lots of fun.
Korian:Okay.
Speaker:Those these were the best interviews.
Speaker 1:Yeah, because they I would say you know they want you. Yeah, you might be interviewed by a place.
Speaker:Yes, you're done with all your schooling, you have your degree, um, and people need health care providers everywhere. So you go, um, you get to know them, they get to know you. You've already sent in your CV, so they already know, you know, what your credentials are and everything. So it's really a matter of just making sure that you're a good fit to work with the people that you're gonna work with.
Korian:How so?
Speaker:Like socially. Okay. Oh, gotcha, gotcha, gotcha.
Korian:So you just check it's more is it more of your interviewing them or they're interviewing you?
Speaker:How is that over it's almost like they're taking you out on a date. Oh, okay. Yeah, they literally take you down. Yeah, they go, you yeah, they wind you downtown, all that stuff. Yeah, they give you you you go out, um, sometimes they'll you know pay for your housing, pay for your travel, even to get you there. You go, usually it's very informal, you know. You go eat and they get to know you, your family. They're not asking you where do you see yourself in the next five years? They might ask you some questions about like, well, did you have experience doing this? For example, as an OBGYN um resident, some programs you train to do circumcisions for babies, and some programs you do surgeries on the the robot. Um, so they want to know did you have any robot experience, or did you have experience doing circumcision? So just small things like that, but nothing super, super formal.
Korian:Okay. All right, so same for you.
Speaker:Yeah, yeah, pretty much. Yep. And I say, you know how we talk about. Oh, sorry, I didn't mean to cut you off.
Speaker 1:No, I was just thinking about um in terms of why I chose where I chose, which obviously you know why. Ocean Springs is right by where we grew up, Beluxy.
Speaker:I say you have the most leverage at this point in your life, yeah. Because we talked about um getting into medical school, we talked about match day and all of that. So now you have the most leverage, you can truly pick where you want to go. So that's how I think about it.
Korian:All right, so before we wrap up, Dr. Alexander, I got one question for you. What is a doula?
Speaker:What is a doula? Yes. I think of the most simple way to explain what a doula is, a doula is a birth coach. So I think in um in some um cultures, your doula might be your grandmother or your great-grandmother. You know, like back in the day, you watch movies and things like that, and there was always this lady.
Korian:Oh, and she like put the towel on the head. Yeah, I got it.
Speaker:Yeah, the one that takes care of the mom during their pregnancy and during their labor. So that's pretty much what doula is.
Korian:Okay, all right. Makes sense because I I see it all the time. I'm like, I have no idea what this is.
Speaker 1:You were you were mine for for COVID. We had to put you as the because they weren't allowing . Yeah, they didn't allow any visitors, and and so it obviously was hospital dependent or an OB dependent. She said your husband could be your doula.
Korian:Oh, I thought I was just okay. I thought I was just you were a doula. And look at me, I didn't even know it. Let me put that on my resume. I'm a doula, you know. Victoria, you will see this, , Victoria Hart, you know who I'm talking about. Um, so before we get up out of here, just y'all have any projects coming up or anything like that? Anything you want to share?
Speaker:Projects.
Korian:Are you working on anything? Research, anything like that? Y'all, anything y'all want to share? Or what's what's the most common thing you see in your practices or anything like that?
Speaker 1:I don't know if I have any upcoming projects. Um, you know, some of my passions that I I guess aspire to eventually do is um wellness activities. So I enjoy um like health challenges. So like what one thing that I like about Singham River, who I work for, is they'll have like um steps challenge, like how many steps you can take in a month, or some type of weight loss challenge. Um, and I want to help fine-tune that. It's a little harder now because our kid the kids are so young, so I don't have a chance to focus on outside projects other than like kind of just day-to-day get I'm still getting my feet wet. I've only been practicing for a year, but that's what I hope to do later down the road is some more stuff with wellness. Okay.
Speaker:I don't have any projects for the immediate time. Um, the biggest thing I'm working on right now is getting ready for board, so lots of testing throughout undergrad, medical school, residency. And you think you're done, right? You finish residency, but you still have boards to take. But this is the last one, and then after we do this one, this is a pretty big one um where you become board certified. But after that, you just you kind of have to do um maintenance of certification.
Korian:Yes, CEUs, right? Continue education credit, or you know.
Speaker:We call it CMEs, but same thing.
Korian:So it's the teacher in me, you know. You you know because your brother's a principle, you know.
Speaker:Okay. Same thing.
Korian:All right. So before we get y'all, do y'all mind showing shouting out your Instagrams or any other social media or anything like that?
Speaker 1:Yeah, true. I don't mind. Um, so my Instagram is at Sweetie Pie Yep underscore yep. I don't I don't know. I came with the years ago and I don't remember why. There was a reason, but anyways, that's what it is. Um, and then what else? That's it. Uh other than that, what do you think of the face? Then Facebook is just my name, Jasmine Patchy. I don't use Snapchat, even though I still have an account. Don't use it.
Speaker:So can we just clarify your Instagram name again? What is it? I don't it's like at Sweetie Pie underscore yep. Isn't that right?
Speaker 1:Yep. Yep, yep.
Speaker:That's it. Yeah. And um for my social media, you can find me on Facebook at um my name, Gabrielle Alexander, and for Instagram, TikTok is GabSoFab. You have TikTok? Yeah, girl. I feel like is that your Instagram? Is my TikTok Gab So Fab?
Korian:I thought that was your Instagram.
Speaker:That is my Instagram. What's my TikTok?
Korian:I don't have a TikTok, so I wouldn't know.
Speaker 1:See, I feel like I just I just couldn't. I'm like, there's too many social media platforms. I just look at that.
Speaker:My TikTok is at drgmd.
Korian:Okay.
Speaker:Yeah. All right. Hey, we'd know. Good to know.
Korian:Hey, we're gonna run these numbers up, y'all. Hey, this did hey, but that's it. That's it. I appreciate y'all ladies for coming on. It wasn't that bad, was it?
Speaker 2:No.
Korian:See, we're we sitting here at the time limit and we could have knocked this out years ago, but you know, it's not no hard feelings.
Speaker:Probably y'all I'm thinking about some future topics already. Okay, all right.
Korian:There's some you would you be down for future topics?
Speaker 1:Um no, this was terrible. No, I'm just gonna obviously I wouldn't be more than happy.
Speaker:One of the things that I want to talk about in the future would be how it is to be a mother in medicine. Okay, yeah, that's it. I think that's a big one, you know.
Korian:Okay, we could do that interview tomorrow. I'm here for my health side. Change the circuit. All right, hey, so this has been another episode of For the Health of It. I'm your host, Corinne KPAPage, and thank you all for listening and watching. Please like, comment, and subscribe. And thank you for listening to this podcast, however you consume your podcast. And cut.
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